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Baruch Hasofer's avatar

This is a strange thing to write. Judaism doesn't believe in change, advancement? What are we praying for in the shemoneh esre? Chabad invented meshiach?

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צמח's avatar

All Meschichism is the belief in change. Chabad didn't invent it, but the took it up 1000 notches.

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Baruch Hasofer's avatar

What is the difference between "meshichism" and normative Judaism, which is heavily invested in the belief in a coming messianic redemption?

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צמח's avatar

No difference, that's the point. What I am writing is Catholicism, Americanism, Marxism, Judaism, Chabadism, all messianic traditions, irrationally belief in CHANGE. Messianic is belief in change. And they all Messianic.

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Baruch Hasofer's avatar

So then what's the problem? You want a Greek or Norse worldview instead?

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צמח's avatar

I am saying that there was is much suffering caused by messianic culture. And all cultures are messianic now, even Muslim. And they all grow on the Jewish messianic tree.

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Baruch Hasofer's avatar

What's "too much suffering"? How much is not too much? Do you think the Greeks or Norse didn't suffer? My recommendation is to read Barton's Sorrows of the Ancient Romans and Burckhardt's The Greeks and Greek Civilization to under what the inner life of intelligent and well off people who do not share the implicit assumptions of Abrahamic religion (because this is what you're really talking about) looks like.

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